Size matters here (!). It wouldn’t be as playable otherwise (knob per function + decent controllers size), not for 11 tracks.
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that’s true. It‘s very playable. Just looks bulky
I use it with a 1010music blackbox. Feels like this:
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It (TR-8S) is just super-playable and jamtastic … any smaller and those brilliant faders would be too fiddly.
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haha.
The last three machines I tried before the TR8s where OPz, OP1, and MC101 
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Was just about to order and the Maschine+ is announced. Maybe I can get the flexibility of ACB with the instruments in Maschine? Apart from faders any other advantages with the TR-8s?
It’s half the price, if that matters. I think the MC707 is a more apt comparison.
Maschine has drum synths but they do not nearly sound as good in my opinion
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The TR-8S is a more mature product. Maschine+, being newer, and thus less mature, is likely to have a lot more bugs.
You’ve just got to try it and see what works for you. The TR-8S was an immediate joy for me and works brilliantly in live sets with a small range of our other gear inlcuding A4, Digitakt, Crave, vaiours Volca, MicroFreak etc.
Of course if you can’t find somewhere to try, then I tend to go the 2nd hand route and resell without loss if it’s not what I want.
better step sequencing I assume.
Better TR sounds if that‘s what you‘re after.
more drum machine performance features most likely.
there is not much info on the maschine yet, but maschine is thought to be a full production groovebox, while TR8s is mainly just a flexible drummachine.
You can‘t sample, chop samples etc, it‘s not good for fingerdrumming, it’s not good for playing melodies etc
Well… there’s not much comparison between the two. One is an excellent drum machine, the other is one of these “does-it-all” groovebox, prone to disillusion.
Ok TR-8S afficionados, can anyone help with this?
I’m using octatrack to send pattern changes to TR-8S, which in turn sends it to Dtone.
I notice that if I have an open hihat (or similar long sound) the end of a pattern, just before the pattern change happens, the open hat sound gets cut off. And not in a pleasing way.
If I chain patterns from within the TR-8S, then all is well and all sounds are as they should be. I tried setting TR-8S as the master changer, but Dtone and octatrack didnt seem to change in sync, always a full pattern behind.
Can anyone tell me why?
The Elektrons expect to receive the MIDI Program Change message that initiates the pattern change a very short time earlier that the TR-8S sends it.
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Cool. But why do the last 3 16th notes on the TR-8S get chopped when recieving pattern change messages from elektrons?
Either way it kinda sucks.
I think it’s reloading the kit on pattern change, even if the kit is the same as the previous pattern. Perhaps when it is chaining patterns internally it pre-loads the kit? On the original firmware there used to be quite a noticeable silence when it loaded a new kit when changing patterns. Maybe the external pattern change message is arriving too late for it to do the preload, or maybe it only does the preload when chained internally.
Are you able to send the pattern change instruction earlier?
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The kit is common to all patterns in the song. Also, if I turn kit change on pattern change off, it makes no difference. Still get the glitch.
So yeah, maybe it preloads the kit internally regardless of what settings you choose. Which is weird.
Its got me properly stumped.
My work around is to just omit notes from the end of the pattern just before a pattern change occurs. Probably not ideal for most people but for the type of music Im currently making, it fits the style. Kind of a pain though, an open hihat on the last 8th note of a bar is the quintessential turnaround marker.
I dont know about the send pattern change earlier thing? Ive just got ‘send pattern change’ ticked in the midi settings on OT.
Then TR8-S and digitone have ‘receive’ pattern change ticked. Im using channel 16 for pattern change.
Right, yeah, if you’re using the automatic pattern change thing I don’t think you have control over when it’s sent.
Sorry, not sure what the answer is. It does sound like it’s reloading the kit even though it shouldn’t.
Is there another way to send pattern change?
I didn’t have an OT very long, but I thought you could maybe use the midi sequencer to manually send program change messages… maybe not.